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Robert Phoenix and Russ Winter on ‘The Dark Architects of Transgenderism’

Seriously, where else are there quality shows like this one nowadays?

Robert Phoenix of FifteenMinutesofFlame.com and Russ Winter of WinterWatch.net delve deep into the history of some of the dark and sinister people behind the transgender movement and what icon John Money calls “the attack on normalphilia.” If Phoenix’s “6-24-22 Friday FARcast” video is removed from Youtube, you can find it on his website.

Winter Watch posts that are core to their discussion:

They also had an interesting diversion into “Factoring Serial Killer Glen Rogers into the OJ Simpson Murder Case.”

6-24-22 Friday FARcast — The Dark Roots Of Trans-humanism’s Influencers With Russ Winter

9 Comments on Robert Phoenix and Russ Winter on ‘The Dark Architects of Transgenderism’

  1. Hello Russ.
    I’m 24-minutes into this ‘discussion’ and, unfortunately I’m hearing an inaccurate description of the Swedish attitudes towards the…let’s call-it…’trans-thingee’.
    I have lived in Sweden for over 40+ years, (-)minus 3 years in Helsinki. Traveled in Sweden & Finland in the late 1970s and, have lived quite close to the city of Uppsala where the…let’s call-it ‘trans-phenomenon’ was already established. It’s University & Akademiska Sjukhus is quite comparable to Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.
    It was the 1st-time I ever came into contact with the ‘transsexuals’. They weren’t many actually but there.
    Seriously speaking, Swedes in general have always been a ‘tolerant people’ as constitutional-Americans. The ‘social engineering’ of the…gotta-be-careful-here, the let’s call-it the recent 2008-Forward movement with 0bami & Mikey has been a very-well directed program by…let’s call-it Money & Ass_ociates from, the usual suspects.
    Swedes are extremely traditional in their choices of work & professions. Actually more(!) statistically-speaking then other European countries. Hands-down fact!
    Once Again, we can’t believe everything we hear or get as 2nd/3d-hand information.
    I aint blaming you-guys but, it aint really the way I’ve heard so far.
    Now…let me continue listening…

    • This is Robert Phoenix’s response. The site is experiencing comment posting issues, so I am putting up for him.

      My apologies if I got the details wrong, and I will take some effort to clarify them on my show, but the gist of my comments are not that far afield.

      “For the rest of the West, Sweden is laying the groundwork… They’re sort of postgender now and are focusing more on humanism, on what – as humans – is going to bring us all closer to equal rights. Sweden is our future.”

      This is a quote from an experiment in Sweden that took place in 1996, nearly thirty years ago. Boys and girls were used in a social experiment where they were educated without gender.

      From a blogpost (one of many) that have reported on this experiment;

      “Children at Stockholm’s Nicolaigarden preschool, which avoids gender stereotypes (Casper Hedberg / The New York Times / Redux).”
      So I might have been fuzzy on the details, but I wasn’t completely wrong.

      I was off on Christine Jorgensen, when in fact, she was a New Yorker. I will clarify that on my show on Monday.

      Sweden, along with Denmark did repeal it’s pornography laws, which in turn influenced relaxing prohibitions against the creation of erotic or pornographic materials in other countries.

      From the website, Art and Popular Culture: “Throughout the 1960s and 1970s Scandinavia (Sweden and Denmark in particular) was seen as an international leader in what is now referred to as the “sexual revolution”, with gender equality and abolishing censorship having particularly been promoted.

      Scandinavia is important in the history of Western 20th century erotica and pornography, not so much for its production, but because it set a legal precedent as the first region to legalize written and pictorial erotica.

      An obscenity trial of an unexpurgated edition of Fanny Hill in Denmark in 1964 led to the conclusion that pornography was not harmful to adult readers. Pornography was subsequently decriminalized, first in Denmark, the rest of Scandinavia following suit.

      This decision influenced obscenity and pornography laws in the United States, because some of the Danish findings (most prominently the work of Dr. Berl Kutchinsky) were republished in the first Presidential Report on Obscenity and Pornogarphy, the so-called Lockhart report.

      A second result of the decriminalization was that a number of pornographic and erotic publishers such as Private Magazine set up business in Scandinavia.

      Later, Caballero Control Corporation (CCC) appropriated the name “Swedish Erotica” and recorded a string of 8mm hardcore loops. Cabellero also used the name “Swedish Erotica” for their pornographic magazine, which they subtitled a film review magazine. [Oct 2005].

      I am not here to demonize Sweden or it’s people. Most people on Earth have been the subjects at one-time-or-another of cruel and even barbaric experiments as Russ has revealed on his pieces on both Alfred Kinsey and John Money.

      For my part, as a so called “American” I take no pride in this countries constant march for regime change in other countries, the weak character and hollowed out moral center which has been devoured by swarm of parasites and the lack of courage to stand up against these forces and insidious attacks.

      In closing, I wasn’t wrong, but often when these things go live, details in the moment can be a bit fuzzy.

      Thanks for bringing this up so that I have actual case study to quote next time I speak about this (if I do).

      Website links:



      • Truly appreciate the detailed reply. I’m in no way a great writer, but I’ve been blessed with a ‘photographic memory’ and try to always give, let’s call them ‘further details’ so All-of-Us have a chance to learn as much as possible.

        So, let me try to expand on your reply:
        Believe it or not, the Summer of 1968 I was in Stockholm, Copenhagen, Olso-Bergen on a 2-3 week SAS-tour. Being a teenager and knowing Danmark & Sweden had de-criminalized pornography, We of course set-out to find the stuff. By today’s standard it was quite harmless.
        One of the great ‘influencers’ at the time was a guy by the name of Harry Schein “was a founder of the Swedish Film Institute and acted as its first Managing Director from 1963 to 1978. ” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Schein
        Use a translator for the full-story here : https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Schein
        Yep, a child-refugee from 1939’s Vienna.
        ” Fadern Chaim Marcel Schein (1881-1936) drev en speditionsfirma. Schein kom ensam som barn 1939 från Österrike till Sverige med en Kindertransport genom den kvot som Judiska församlingen i Stockholm (Mosaiska församlingen)….”.
        Even the so-called famous Gunnar & Alva Myrdal with their Social Engineering Theory were heavily influenced by…guess who?
        Take a look here:

        So. Guys. Keep up the good work.
        Russ is truly a resource. And Rob, Nice-to-make your acquaintance.

        • Thanks for your reply. It’s one of the better aspects of the internet when we can learn from each other and remain civil in the process. Take care.

    • Got to listen to this at work today and just wanted to say great job, Russ. You and Robert make a good duo and I’m glad to hear you’ll be doing shows with him on a monthly basis. Been listening to more of his shows since you started making appearances and it’s fascinating. His unorthodox perspective and his music rants make for a good listen.

  2. The Eight Genders in the Talmud
    Judaism has recognized nonbinary persons for millennia.

    Thought nonbinary gender was a modern concept? Think again. The ancient Jewish understanding of gender was far more nuanced than many assume.

    The Talmud, a huge and authoritative compendium of Jewish legal traditions, contains in fact no less than eight gender designations including:

    Zachar, male.
    Nekevah, female.
    Androgynos, having both male and female characteristics.
    Tumtum, lacking sexual characteristics.
    Aylonit hamah, identified female at birth but later naturally developing male characteristics.
    Aylonit adam, identified female at birth but later developing male characteristics through human intervention.
    Saris hamah, identified male at birth but later naturally developing female characteristics.
    Saris adam, identified male at birth and later developing female characteristics through human intervention.
    In fact, not only did the rabbis recognize six genders that were neither male nor female, they had a tradition that the first human being was both. Versions of this midrash are found throughout rabbinic literature, including in the Talmud:

    Rabbi Yirmeya ben Elazar also said: Adam was first created with two faces (one male and the other female). As it is stated: “You have formed me behind and before, and laid Your hand upon me.” (Psalms 139:5)

    Eruvin 19a
    Rabbi Yirmeya ben Elazar imagines that the first human was created both male and female — with two faces. Later, this original human being was separated and became two distinct people, Adam and Eve. According to this midrash then, the first human being was, to use contemporary parlance, nonbinary. Genesis Rabbah 8:1 offers a slightly different version of Rabbi Yirmeya’s teaching:

    Rabbi Yirmeya ben Elazar: In the hour when the Holy One created the first human, He created him as an androgynos (one having both male and female sexual characteristics), as it is said, “male and female He created them.” (Genesis 1:27)

    Said Rabbi Shmuel bar Nachmani: In the hour when the Holy One created the first human, He created for him a double face, and sawed him and made him backs, a back here and a back there, as it is said, “Behind and before, You formed me” (Psalms 139:5).

    Genesis Rabbah 8:1
    In this version of the teaching, Rabbi Yirmeya is not focusing on the first human’s face (or, rather, faces) but on their sex organs — they have both. The midrash imagines this original human looked something like a man and woman conjoined at the back so that one side has a women’s face and a woman’s sex organs and the other side has a man’s face and sex organs. Then God split this original person in half, creating the first man and woman. Ancient history buffs will recognize this image as similar to the character Aristophanes’ description of the first humans as both male and female, eventually sundered to create lone males and females forever madly seeking one another for the purposes of reuniting to experience that primordial state. (Plato, Symposium, 189ff)

    For the rabbis, the androgynos wasn’t just a thing of the mythic past. The androgynos was in fact a recognized gender category in their present — though not with two heads, only both kinds of sex organs. The term appears no less than 32 times in the Mishnah and 283 times in the Talmud. Most of these citations are not variations on this myth, but rather discussions that consider how Jewish law (halakhah) applies to one who has both male and female sexual characteristics.

    That the androgynos is, from a halakhic perspective, neither male nor female, is confirmed by Mishnah Bikkurim 4:1, which states this explicitly:

    The androgynos is in some ways like men, and in other ways like women. In other ways he is like men and women, and in others he is like neither men nor women.

    Mishnah Bikkurim 4:1
    Because Hebrew has no gender neutral pronoun, the Mishnah uses a male pronoun for the androgynos, though this is obviously insufficient given the rabbinic descriptions of this person. Reading on we find that the androgynos is, for the rabbis, in many ways like a man — they dress like a man, they are obligated in all commandments like a man, they marry women and their “white emissions” lead to impurity. However, in other ways, the androgynos is like a woman — they do not share in inheritance like sons, they do not eat of sacrifices that are reserved only for men and their “red discharge” leads to impurity.

    The Mishnah goes on to list ways in which an androgynos is just like any other person. Like any human being, “one who strikes him or curses him is liable.” (Bikkurim 4:3) Similarly, one who murders an androgynos is, well, a murderer. But the androgynos is also unlike a man or a woman in other important legal respects — for instance, such a person is not liable for entering the Temple in a state of impurity as both a man and woman would be.

    As should now be clear, the rabbinic interest in these gender ambiguous categories is largely legal. Since halakhah was structured for a world in which most people were either male or female, applying the law to individuals who didn’t fall neatly into one of those two categories was challenging. As Rabbi Yose remarks in this same chapter of the Mishnah: “The androgynos is a unique creature, and the sages could not decide about him.” (Bikkurim 4:5)

    In many cases, the androgynos is lumped together with other kinds of nonbinary persons as well as other marginalized populations, including women, slaves, the disabled and minors. For example, concerning participation in the three pilgrimage festivals (Passover, Shavuot and Sukkot) during which the Jews of antiquity would travel to the Temple in Jerusalem, the mishnah of Chagigah opens:

    All are obligated on the three pilgrimage festivals to appear in the Temple and sacrifice an offering, except for a deaf-mute, an imbecile, and a minor; and a tumtum, an androgynos, women, and slaves who are not emancipated; and the lame, the blind, the sick, and the old, and one who is unable to ascend to Jerusalem on his own legs.

    Chagigah 1:1
    As this mishnah indicates, it is only healthy, free adult men who are obligated to appear at the Temple to observe the pilgrimage festivals. People who are not adult men, and men who are enslaved or too old or unwell to make the journey, are exempt.

    As we have already stated, the androgynos was not the only person of ambiguous gender identified by the rabbis. Similarly, the rabbis recognized one whose sexual characteristics are lacking or difficult to determine, called a tumtum. In the mishnah from Bikkurim we cited earlier, Rabbi Yose, who said the androgynos was legally challenging for the sages, said the tumtum was much easier to figure out.

    The rabbis also recognized that some people’s sexual characteristics can change with puberty — either naturally or through intervention. Less common than the androgynos and tumtum, but still found throughout rabbinic texts, are the aylonit, who is born with organs identified as female at birth but develops male characteristics at puberty or no sex characteristics at all, and the saris, who is born with male-identified organs and later develops features recognized as female (or no sex characteristics). These changes can happen naturally over time (saris hamah) or with human intervention (saris adam).

    For the rabbis, what is most significant about the aylonit and the saris is that they are presumed infertile — the latter is sometimes translated as “eunuch.” Their inability to have offspring creates legal complications the rabbis address, for example:

    A woman who is 20 years old who did not grow two pubic hairs shall bring proof that she is twenty years old, and from that point forward she assumes the status of an aylonit. If she marries and her husband dies childless, she neither performs halitzah nor does she enter into levirate marriage.

    Mishnah Niddah 5:9
    A woman who reaches the age of 20 without visible signs of puberty, in particular pubic hair, is deemed an aylonit who is infertile. According to this mishnah, she may still marry, but it is not expected that she will bear children. Therefore, if her husband dies and the couple is in fact childless, his brother is not obligated to marry her, as would normally be required by the law of levirate marriage.

    A nonbinary person who does not have the same halakhic status as a male or female, but is something else that is best described as ambiguous or in between, presented a halakhic challenge that was not particularly foreign for the rabbis, who discuss analogs in the animal and plant kingdoms. For example, the rabbinic texts describe a koi as an animal that is somewhere between wild and domesticated (Mishnah Bikkurim 2:8) and an etrog — yes, that beautiful citron that is essential for Sukkot — as between a fruit and a vegetable (Mishnah Bikkurim 2:6, see also Rosh Hashanah 14). Because they don’t fit neatly into common categories, the koi and the etrog require special halakhic consideration. The rabbinic understanding of the world was that most categories — be they animal, vegetable or mineral — are imperfect descriptors of the world, either as it is or as it should be.

    In recent decades, queer Jews and allies have sought to reinterpret these eight genders of the Talmud as a way of reclaiming a positive space for nonbinary Jews in the tradition. The starting point is that while it is true that the Talmud understands gender to largely operate on a binary axis, the rabbis clearly understood that not everyone fits these categories.

    My Jewish Learning

    Email: community@myjewishlearning.com

  3. Pip above states it quite clear…
    Holocaust activist Elie Wiesel, whose lies about his holocaust experiences seem to be legion, also claims that Jews are a superior race. “Everything about us is different,” Wiesel boasts. “Jews are ontologically exceptional.”

    WHAT is significant about this? People don’t use terms like “ontologically exceptional” without first understanding the meaning of such big words. I

    Judaism, Zionism and Freemasonry

    The Androgynous (Hermaphroditic) Agenda Pt.1

    How about that Jewish kosher criminal Kinsey promoted by the private owners of the Federal Reserve and their Monopolies… 😁

  4. How about that Jewish kosher criminal Kinsey

    I don’t think Kinsey was Jewish — he was a homosexual and a sexual pervert — and generally very weird.

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