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A Critique of Discordianism: A Mixed Bag, But Things to be Learned

Discordianism is the modern evolution of the flower power revolution. In the 1980s, Timothy Leary reemerged as a spokesperson of the “cyberdelic” counterculture, whose adherents were self-described “cyberpunks,” with an interest in computers and psychedelics. Leary proclaimed to the bohemian-hipster crowd that “the PC is the LSD of the 1990s” and to “turn on, boot up, jack in.”

Discordians then peddled mind-control themes of transhumanism, such as navel gazing smart drugs, virtual reality, cyberpunk, interactive media, aphrodisiacs, artificial life, nanotechnology, brain implants, life extension, as well as designer aphrodisiacs, psychedelics and techno-erotic paganism.

According to Robert Anton Wilson, however, “Many people consider discordianism a complicated joke disguised as a new religion. I prefer to consider it a new religion disguised as a complicated joke.”

Discordianism comes with the hipster-trickster archetype: figures like Robert Anton Wilson, Timothy Leary, Terence McKenna, Hunter S. Thompson. See [Hunter S. Thompson: Dark Accounts and Suspicious Demise]. In my view, it’s an extension of the culture of critique, or cultural Marxism. It uses mockery to tear down the system. It also uses no rules diversion to deflect away from real problems of a Crime Syndicate-infected world.

Chaos Magic

Leary’s eight-circuit model of consciousness is prominent in chaos magic, having been detailed in “Chaotopia!” by Dave Lee, a leading member of the Illuminates of Thanateros (IOT), a secret society of chaos magic. Members included not only Timothy Leary but also Robert Anton Wilson and William S. Burroughs.

Ian Bear referred to it in the neo-pagan journal Green Egg as “divine irreverence”:

On a larger scale the chaos magician is able to work vast changes unattainable through ordinary, orderly means. Where chaotic systems exist, it is now well-known that in the right place, a small flutter can transform the entire system. This is known in chaos science as the butterfly effect. In these fast changing times, at this crossroads of history, in this time of crisis and opportunity, our entire society is a chaotic system. By observing society keenly, and choosing the appropriate moment for the golden apple to be launched, the chaos magician can work great changes in society through the social butterfly effect.

Cacophony Society

Another offshoot of discordian thinking is the Cacophony Society, sometimes dubbed the Suicide Club. In its more benign form, it’s the live-for-today worldview of the pajama people, or those who could give a shit about their future bloodline generations or of others’. In its worst form, this is worldview of Dr. George Hodel, Israel Keyes and Jimmy Savile, who we have addressed in recent posts. In all its forms, it’s ultra-rebellionism.

Some discordians do supposedly care about the environment — but more as neo-paganism and earth worship, not as stewardship to be passed on to your bloodline and mankind in general.

James Lovelock and the Anti-Human Gaia Subterfuge

Novelist Chuck Palahniuk used the society as the basis for the fictional organization Project Mayhem in his novel “Fight Club.” But net-net, those “Fight Club” characters were superegos and attention seekers more caught up in their own Israel Keyes-Dr. Hodel-Jimmy Savile style grandiosity and gratification- than anything constructive or heroic.

This is not just hipster talk- and for Third Position stewardship-minded people, more typical of Winter Watch readers, this is all too real. But, for us, there are some concepts we can take away and use to both protect ourselves and go more on the offensive.

Chaos magic holds that the belief itself is powerful even if the belief is incorrect. This also ties into the concept of egregore.

Read: The New Underworld Order Egregore

The message for us is to overcome personal indifference of the tuned-out people around us. I actually think the motif of “Fight Club” utilizing Third Position belief systems can be powerful. The other aspect of chaos magic to effect change is symbolism. We saw this in the misuse of kek and the pepe frog symbolism used in the Alt-Right Trumptard movement.

The following video is both illustrative and informative about what we are up against, as well as some tactics we can adapt for our concept of constructive change. The speaker, a hipster gal named Autumn Tyr-Salvia, well articulates the tactics and methods of discordianism. There are several good chuckles to be had as well.

Much of this, such as the no-message diversionary-protest signs, is just self-centered stupidity, but some is quite smart. There are things to learn here. One tactic is cultural jamming, or introducing noise into the system. The offshoot of this is jam-art, or the anti-message.

One cultural jamming group that was constructive were the Ad Busters, who created some classics such as Joe Chemo (see image above) and Buy Nothing Xmas- (shown at right).

6 Comments on A Critique of Discordianism: A Mixed Bag, But Things to be Learned

  1. “Chaos magic holds that the belief itself is powerful even if the belief is incorrect. ”

    This reminds me of the sophists, who would argue points they did not believe to prove their powers of crowd persuasion.

    Thanks for being fair to Ad Busters. I used to enjoy that periodical. Robert Anton Wilson was always fair minded in his analyses, and I recall his saying that quote in tube posts and the like.

    A fellow alum from my prep school, St. Mark’s School of Texas, was responsible for the Church of the Subgenius genesis if I am not mistaken. That’s not to say he had anything to do with its current state.

    More recently, I have watched some of the Slack videos produced by the Church of Bob back in the late ’80s and ’90s that were WAY ahead of their time, openly exposing the scumbag carpet bagger family that spawned King George the W and his father and all their criminal behavior….

  2. Here is a late arriving thought – thought experiment / observational experiment / hypothesis:

    If one were to see an actual group of these “discordians” gathered in some space in the summer of 2020, they all would be wearing face masks – true or false?

    No “culture-jamming”, no “noise”, no “anti-message”, no “culture of critique” to be see relative to the pandemic.

  3. Revealing that the discordian lady in the video, whose website doesn’t work, mainly talked about this bullshit happening in s.f, ny and l.a… also revealing that the Cacophony Society website calls their individual groups “lodges”. Adbusters website was the most revealing, invoking blm, metoo and extinctionrebellion hashtags in advertising their upcoming “50 day siege of the White House” which the website says begins on 9/17/20, in honor of the 9 year anniversary of the occupy protests. Certainly birds of a feather flock together. Adbusters may have once been constructive, but doesn’t appear to be now. I understand the idea of counter programming these people..but because they’re sowing chaos, I reckon introducing more noise to an already noisy system won’t make it any quieter. I’d be asking for trouble if I counter protested a blm rally, to use an extreme example. This is a great article and I believe that knowing these people’s dirty tricks is important to be able to protect yourself from them. But I won’t use their dirty tricks myself. Not good form in my opinion, akin to provoking a child. Telling the truth is the anti messaging against these types, but because they’re apt to chimp out when exposed to truth, the act of staying away from these people until they eat their own is a good idea as well. I’m by no means a pacifist, but I pick my hills to die on. I wear a mask in stores so I don’t have to argue with the scared pajama people, not because I’m afraid of the common cold that they renamed.

    • Yep, you “gotta know when to hold ’em and when to fold ’em” as the song says. Choose battles wisely. And I totally agree about the act of staying away from these people until they eat their own. And I wonder if these discordian types have affected the knock-out crews such as the group of blacks who murdered an innocent white man in Maryland recently at a fair…he refused to give them a dollar or something, so they killed him and danced around the body…the murdered got “anger management” not life in prison…..Sorry I don’t have the link, it’s on Twitter or something.

  4. Thank you for this article. It’s something I’ve heard about but have never delved into. Jan Irvin at LogosMedia brings it up from time to time, although I’m not sure if he’s done an in-depth show on the topic.

    On a related note, when looking into those “horrorcore” rappers I mentioned under the Israel Keyes article, I found this.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=6uNxy7Kb0Tw

    Jewish brothers “Ill Bill” and Ron “Necro” Braunstein were in a death metal band before they became rappers and apparently made some songs dedicated to discordianism. Weird coincidence.

    Have you done any digging into death metal or the satanic and occult themes in metal music in general? I was never into that genre and always found it odd that there was such widespread promulgation of those symbols, images, etc. The appeal of hard, angry music makes sense but I never got why it had to be satanic.

  5. Excellent article, thanks Russ.

    I thought I would mention that there is a link between H.S. Thompson, John Podesta and George McGovern that relates to child molestation and child sacrifice.

    There was a video I saw of a teenager who claims to have witnessed George McGovern kill an infant in a sacrificial ritual, but I’m unable to find the link to the video yet.

    It may have been “Conspiracy of Silence”, but I’m not sure.

    Also, here’s a link to a great video about Chaos Magick and Discordianism…..

    https://archive.org/search.php?query=Chaos%20Magick%20And%20The%20Discordian

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