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Thought and Speech Crimes: The Disturbing Case of Revisionist Ursula Haverbeck

Ursula Haverbeck in court in October 2017. PHOTO: Der Tagesspiegel/Reuters

Forty percent of American millennials (ages 20-36) believe the government should intervene when citizens say something that might be considered offensive to minorities, a Pew Research study reveals. It is not entirely clear what is meant by “intervene” and “minorities,” and the term “offensive” is broadly defined. As usual in the world of Newspeak we go to our standby- the dictionary. Offensive: causing someone to feel resentful, upset, or annoyed. Wow, the eggshell world is here.

Intuitively, the question likely pertains to the sort of nonsense we are seeing involving censorship and public persecution of those who espouse views that are deemed “politically incorrect.”

Despite the threat of political correctness (PC) from millennials, Americans overall still put a high value on free speech, with only 28% in favor of government regulation of speech. Among respondents, 27 percent of Gen Xers (37-52), 24 percent of Baby Boomers (ages 53-71) and 12 percent of the Silent Generation (age 72 and older) believe government should control and limit offensive speech. The dwindling Greatest Generation universally defends free speech, but they are now over age 90.

In Germany, a troubling 70% are in favor of limiting free speech. That country will jail those who engage even in revisionist history involving WWII, and even debate on the Holocaust is considered taboo. In fact, it is illegal in Germany to deny or even downplay the Holocaust. The term deny is curious given that no leading revisionist on the topic actually denies atrocities or actions against Jews and others.

Understanding of the Case of Ursula Haverbeck

89 year old Ursula Haverbeck was supposed to report to prison to serve a two year sentence for “holocaust denial”. Instead she is on the run, presumably sheltered away someplace by supporters. The Jewish ‘International Auschwitz Committee’, apparently oblivious to the bad optics, is asking German police to use ‘high pressure’ to hunt down and imprison this elderly woman.

Update: Ursula apparently went back to her home after five days on the run, and police hauled her to prison.

Ursula Haverbeck was sentenced for violating section 220a [see below]. For a woman of her advanced age, this is the equivalent of a death sentence.

The following video is the interview that got her into hot water. Watch it before it’s removed from the Internet.

Apparently, “downplay” is double-speak for revisionism. Watch the interview closely, as if you were on the jury. Nowhere does Haverbeck deny that crimes or atrocities were committed against Jews (and others), nor does she refuse to accept that they were rounded up or persecuted. Rather, she speaks mostly about the nature, methods and the numbers, which is deemed “revisionism.”

The following is an excerpt from the German law, and what a broad and sweeping law it is. In essence, it demands no one disturb the public peace, ruffle feathers or challenge a history that has been deemed set in stone or static.

(3) Whoever publicly or in a meeting approves of, denies or renders harmless an act committed under the rule of National Socialism of the type indicated in Section 220a subsection (1), in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than five years or a fine.

Please, watch Haverbeck for yourself. See if you can identify her so-called offensive words that “might disturb the public peace.” In fact, Haverbeck was remarkably well composed and was relatively careful in her word choice. Despite the news coverage on her imprisonment, I certainly didn’t hear her “approve of” atrocities or claim they didn’t happen. Do you hear her “rendering harmless” acts committed under the rule of National Socialism?

She did go into the rarely discussed — but I think much-needed — topic of the mass murder (Hellstorm) of German civilians and POWs as the war wound down and after the defeat of Germany. Basically, she is “guilty” of processing things outside of the box and not functioning under prescribed terms. Her “revisionism” only involves researching and questioning the size and degree of atrocities against Jews and the aspects of the Hellstorm.

She did suggest that truth or history on these topic has been “distorted.” She uses the term “Das Groste Problem” to define this distortion. This is problematic in her eyes because this historical distortion has been used as an agenda to kowtow Germany and promote Zionist power.

I’m sorry, but I don’t see “The Great Problem” train of thought as a jailable crime. I don’t see being an aggressive revisionist as being a jailable crime either. Nor is hurting someone’s feelings a jailable offense. Any sensible observer would say that ALL history has been distorted to one degree or another and should be subjected to frequent revision, review and question. Nothing should be set in stone.

Courageous Jewish historian Norman Finkelstein has addressed the issue of shaping history and ranking human suffering (uniqueness doctrine) to achieve questionable agendas as it relates to Palestine. This is also what Haverbeck challenged.

To help set the facts straight on this case, I believe Haverbeck essentially adopted the work of the French historian Paul Rassinier and probably also French historian Robert Faurisson. The latter focused on the so-called confessions of Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoess under severe torture. Since his death, some of his views (such as no gassing in camps within Germany) have quietly been accepted with little notice by the mainstream Holocaust historians. Haverbeck is not an original researcher but has picked up the mantel. Incidentally, Amazon just purged the works of these historians from their online marketplace.

TNN has no intention of going into the thought police tarpit of discussion on Rassinier and Faurisson’s outlawed historical revisionism. We have no strong conviction one way or the other and, like most events, especially when the victors write the history, there are shades of grey. There is far too much false dichotomy on both sides of the issue.  We do find the notion of a court approved version of events that one could lose their liberty over beyond Orwellian. The “judge” would not permit testimony from a revisionist historian in court. It is fundamental that there should be open discussion, even of controversial views, without threat of prosecution. But if the authorities are willing to make an example out of an 89-year-old woman, well, what more is there to say.

Mind-Blowing Comments in Joseph Goebbels’ Diaries

I don’t claim to have the answers. But something popped up while reading through the Goebbels Diaries that blew my mind. In the diary there is a reference to Hungary. And it looks like Goebbels the insider and one of Hitler’s closest confidants thinks something completely different is going on. According to the official narrative the deportation of the Hungarian Jews began on April 29, 1944 when a train load of Jews were sent to Birkenau. In ten short weeks 400,000 were alleged gassed there.

Did Goebbels not get the word of such a major operation? Curious comments indeed. Some claim Goebbels was lying to avoid incrimination. But Goebbels bluntly said plenty in his diaries to incriminate himself, and had no intention of ever appearing as a defendant before a tribunal.

Apr 18, 1944 (II.12.44)
The Führer then explained to the Gauleiters the background of his campaign in Hungary, and how it was designed. He gave an amusing description of his talk with Horthy. He had to use strong-arm tactics because the old man was not comfortable with the necessary measures. The Führer left him in no doubt, that either it would be a fight to the death or that he had to submit. The Führer had so many forces to apply to this campaign that Horthy offered no serious resistance. In particular, the Führer expected contributions from Hungary of food, oil, manganese, and people. In particular, he wants the 700,000 Jews in Hungary involved in beneficial activities for our war effort.

Apr 27, 1944 (II.12.199)
300,000 Hungarian Jews have been detained and imprisoned in the concentration camps. They should come, in large part, to Germany as a workforce. Himmler will take care of this; above all, they are to be used for our difficult war production programs.

May 4, 1944 (II.12.232)
Our plenipotentiary in Hungary, Veesenmayer, gives an excellent speech on the decisive Hungarian factors. …In particular, it’s to his credit that the Hungarian potential is now in large part requisitioned for our war efforts. Also, the Jewish Question is now being handled more energetically. I insist that the measures taken against the Jews in Hungary have a factual basis. It’s not enough that one only announces in the press what happens, but one must also explain it. In Budapest the Jews are starting to be gathered into ghettos. The ghettos are built in the vicinity of the armament factories, because air attacks are likely there. It is hoped thereby to avoid British-American attacks on Budapest, if at all possible.

The notion that the vast majority of Jews sat around passively awaiting their fate is a myth. The Jewish Telegraph Agency has numerous stories of evacuations as the eastern front advanced. See: [Jewish News Archive, 7/8-1941; 45,000 Bukovina Jews Evacuated to Soviet Interior]and [Jewish News Archive 2/18/1942, Uzbekistan Becomes New Home for Hundreds of Thousands of Evacuated Jews] or fought back.

Apparently Goebbels didn’t have any idea about the scale of any killing operations against Jews either.

Apr 29, 1942 (II.4.201) **
The SD gave me a police report on conditions in the East. The danger of the Partisans continues to exist in unmitigated intensity in the occupied areas. The Partisans have, after all, caused us very great difficulties during the winter, and these difficulties have by no means ceased with the beginning of spring. Short shrift (kurzen Prozess) is made of the Jews in all eastern occupied areas. Tens of thousands must bite the dust, and the Fuhrer’s prophecy is fulfilled for them, that Jewry has to pay for inciting a new World War with the complete removal (Ausrottung) of their race..

Later, indeed these Jewish ghettos near armament factories were bombed by the Allies. One Hungarian Jew in the Yad Vashem interviews who was conscripted to work on the Carpathian fortifications stated that his grandparents and sister were killed in such a Budapest raid.

We do find it deeply disturbing that Haverbeck is to be imprisoned at all. And what of those who simply defend free speech and the right of Haverbeck to conduct this interview without prosecution and jail time? Are they, too, going to be subjected via some contorted circular logic leading to derision, ridicule or even prosecution?

Support for Ursula Haverbeck can be provided here.

10 Comments on Thought and Speech Crimes: The Disturbing Case of Revisionist Ursula Haverbeck

  1. If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not “add up”…
    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans.

    The establishment of a “homeland” was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. What better way to encourage “emigration” to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident. TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE “KANGAROO COURTS” THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. A question for you “holocaust ™” promoters–why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”.
    Jewish complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust”. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . .
    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust” is the only one that counts . . .

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren.

    Since the jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these “camps”.

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter traveled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of methylene blue in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the “chimney” for the supposed “gas chamber” does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter’s was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    I urge those “holocaust ™” believers to check these things out for yourselves–IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find…

  2. The newspaper clip displayed in the aid link is from 2015 so is Ursula currently serving time or was there a later decision? As it is nearly the end of 2017 is she coming out soon? Great info from Brabantian. I guess it’s nearly impossible to get any of Ginsburg’s works anymore. Very disturbing and demoralizing. As a teacher I’m finding it increasingly difficult to teach anything anymore because of the lies and the efficacy of the brainwashing in play since time immemorial. Will we ever wake up? I understand a similar law is awaiting legislation here in the US. Why can’t people see this for what it is? I blame the christian churches- all denominations.

      • My God, this woman is 88 years old, saying something perfectly legal in nearby Italy or Croatia … The sheer inhumanity of this court with a person this age, is appalling & barbaric … Did it not cross their minds to say, ‘The court has found you guilty, sentence suspended, now go home, lady’?

    • And let us not forget the stupid crap they endlessly play on the “History Channel” which should be called the “Hitler Channel”. I counted A LOT of documentaries on Netflix also on WWII Germany and Hitler, of course. It’s like they beat in to our heads all the time…24/7. The Millenials are completely brainwashed. And most people are afraid to say anything at all about this in the US for fear of the hammer coming down. Screw that!
      This is good info for a lesson plan. I will get a screenshot of all the damn “Hitler Channel” shows too and ask “who do you think history is written for?”
      Oh and don’t forget about Eustace Mullins and his friend, Ezra Pound, the famous poet, who was imprisioned for his beliefs about WWII. Because he basically figured it all out

  3. The irony of a Jew who had his books burned (!) repeatedly over many years by post-war, modern Germany, after he dared to question the official Shoah / Holocaust narrative – A Jew who is now being gradually web-erased, ‘memory-holed’ after his death.

    German-speaking Jewish author Josef Ginsburg – pen name ‘Joseph G. Burg’, was born 1908 in Chernivtsi, Austria-Hungary (now Ukraine), & died 1990 in Munich, Germany, was a rabbi’s son who became a fervent Communist. Like most Jews before 1940, Ginsburg was anti-Zionist, but all his life he continued to believe that Zionism & Israel were disasters for Jews.

    During World War II, Germans sequestered Ginsburg in the open in Transnistria under great hardship. Freed by Soviet Union armies, Ginsburg joined advancing Soviet trooops as part of official Soviet teams entering into & inspecting Nazi camps in Poland such as Auschwitz, Birkenau, Majdanek, Treblinka, & Sobibor, known today as the ‘death camps’.

    As Ginsburg visited Auschwitz in 1945 & spoke to hundreds of surviving inmates, anti-Nazi Jew Ginsburg “formed the opinion that there were no ‘extermination’ camps at all, that gas chambers had never existed & that there had been no plan to exterminate the Jews of Europe.” Ginsburg said he could find no gas chambers which were not de-lousing stations, nor witnesses who had seen any. Ginsburg said many other things too, such as that it was Jews themselves who pushed the idea of Jews wearing yellow stars of David in Nazi-occupied regions (‘wear it proudly’)

    Technically himself a ‘Holocaust survivor’, Ginsburg wrote books saying the ‘Holocaust’ was a fraud. It remains illegal in nearly half of Europe to support Ginsburg’s opinions. Josef Ginsburg also said with conviction, that Rothschild family members all sign secret iron-clad contracts to go along with many things they may personally despise, in order to keep their share of family fortune. Ginsburg’s ‘holohoax’ claim does have problems. Millions of religious non-Zionist European Jews seem to have disappeared – Did they all change so quickly to Zionistic views? But how Ginsburg was treated was shocking.

    West Germany’s government continually attacked Ginsburg, confiscating & burning 7 of Ginsburg’s 13 major books / writings from 1962-89, the West German regime ice-cold to the irony of burning a Jew’s books over a much longer period than Nazis themselves ever did. Ginsburg was attacked & beaten, apparently by other Jews, & Jews refused to bury him when he died.

    Ginsburg’s story is in process of being internet-scrubbed, not too far from being effectively ‘erased’ from English language web searches. Instead of countering Ginsburg’s views with facts or argument, or saying he was stupid, or crazy, or deluded by his Communism or his perhaps fanatic anti-Zionism, the response to this Jewish writer & WW2 survivor was to burn his books & near-erase him from media & now the internet.

    Yet his story is fascinating, at the very least, however ‘wrong’ Ginsburg may have been. A few items on Josef Ginsburg still show, one an article on Josef Ginsburg’s striking testimony at a Canadian ‘Holocaust denial’ trial of his friend Ernst Zündel … the Canadian crown prosecution refused to cross-examine him
    http://www.zundelsite.org/archive/harwood/dsmrd/dsmrd24burg.html
    An interview with the aged Josef Ginsburg (Joseph G Burg) which he gave in his final years
    http://www.faem.com/eric/2000/et004.htm

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